What we get wrong about affirmative action

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  • Published on:  Monday, December 10, 2018
  • The latest allegation that Harvard discriminates against Asians could kill affirmative action altogether.

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    An alleged discrimination case against Harvard has put the affirmative action debate in the spotlight again — this time with Asian Americans being used to make the case against it. But the problem is, the way we talk about race in college admissions hasn’t changed for years…and it’s often wrong.

    While we may think of affirmative action as a policy that boosts college applicants of color to help undo the effects of historical discrimination — the Supreme Court has actually narrowed the use of affirmative action over decades of rulings. And now, armed with an allegation that Harvard is using race in college admissions to discriminate against Asian applicants — conservative opponents of affirmative action may put the issue back in the hands of a majority-conservative Supreme Court.

    Watch the video above to find out what we get wrong about the debate, and how Asians may fit into the complicated use of affirmative action in US college admissions.

    For more in-depth reading, check out these articles:

    https://www.vox.com/2018/3/28/17031460/affirmative-action-asian-discrimination-admissions

    https://www.vox.com/2018/10/18/17984108/harvard-asian-americans-affirmative-action-racial-discrimination

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  • Vox

    Vox

     9 months ago +492

    The lawsuit against Harvard not only forces us to talk about where Asian Americans fit into the affirmative action debate, but also their role in the racial equity debate. Read why on vox.com: http://bit.ly/2C1Bc56

  • BlueGallade475

    BlueGallade475

     3 days ago

    My dad went to stuyvesant high school and there were no quotas and it was mostly asians. Lets be clear, there is a reason why the asian stereotype of tough parents and that asians are good at math.

  • Trey Noe

    Trey Noe

     7 days ago

    So Asians are voted down? Isn’t systemic discrimination?

  • yago quiroga

    yago quiroga

     14 days ago

    Race of races

  • sledgenwedge

    sledgenwedge

     14 days ago

    It's funny how through the whole video personal responsibility is never mentioned at all. As if people are just cattle from cradle to grave and everybody performs exactly the same during the education process. I would submit to you that there are people who put more effort into their education and future than others. Success is their result.

  • Brice Vanderwoodsan

    Brice Vanderwoodsan

     14 days ago +1

    Affirmative Action was intended for the descendants of American slavery aka the African-Americans. Other groups try to benefit off things that aren't theirs. This is wrong. Let African-Americans have their inheritance.

  • Spanish Arcanine

    Spanish Arcanine

     21 days ago

    This video is exactly why journalism should remain objective. The entire point of journalism is to inform, and of there are two sides of an issue, address both sides and let the viewer or reader decide which sides aligns with their personal values. By not doing this, and shaming conservatives for having an opinion that differs from yours, you’re effectively demonizing the other side. I know this because at the end, you basically point out that if you think Asians are unfairly unrepresented in Harvard, you are racist because affirmative action makes universities is more colorful. Shouldn’t it be the talent of the individual that determines if you can go to the school? Instead, the color of the skin is a factor, which is by definition racist. I understand the intent of Affirmative action, as minorities are at a statistical disadvantage when it comes to getting a proper education, but you shouldn’t punish the white person who had nothing to do with that discrimination to fix it. There’s got to be a more efficient way to look at the problem

  • retard

    retard

     21 days ago

    Affirmative Action: Merits students to go to college based on race and not academic ability


    The College Board: WELL BOYS, WE DID IT. RACISM IS NO MORE

  • chamboyette853

    chamboyette853

     21 days ago

    In a nutshell, what VOX is saying is that "it is important to discriminate people based on their race, and if you don't that means you're ... racist!!"

  • Tommy Wood

    Tommy Wood

     1 months ago +1

    I don’t want anything based on race. Why does it need to be? Every time an application asked for my race I say I prefer not to answer. Race should not have any weight on anything.

  • Dominique Ransom

    Dominique Ransom

     1 months ago +1

    ****UNPOPULAR OPINION ****
    Amerian schools in the poorest areas aren't even provided the same resources and fundings as private schools WHICH DOES EFFECT the future by not providing the same equality??? Yet, the already privileged people feel the need to cry about the few people of color who even make it into the overpriced colleges??? Black and Hispanic schools receive fewer fundings than Whites schools from 1st through 12th how is that fair using race to fund better quality for some and not others? Not all Whites or Asians children will even graduate. And even the few darker groups who drop out can open a spot for the next poor child!!! STOP OPPRESSING OTHERS JUST TO KEEP SCAPEGOAT EXCUSES FOR INJUSTICE!!!


    Allowing any group with huge populations within a country to be pushed into poverty by racial policies and limited quality education is racist and genocide. If you don't think so let's flip it towards the Majority and see if it's still a great idea!

  • SchwerMetall154

    SchwerMetall154

     1 months ago

    Just base it off of household wealth/income. Equally spend on schools based on their necessity than possibility and grow an educated population, racial disparity will disappear as minorities make up more of the underfunded schools due to their impoverished condition from past discrimination via that link without withholding other races.

    In my district, there were only two schools, one had metallurgy, auto-maintenance, woodshop, more trades etc. My school had cosmetology, that's it. Beyond that we had the same curriculum but one kept getting more money, even though my school had more students and was begging for teachers to hire and kids to help fundraise.
    Many of my peers who graduated either attended community college or went straight to the workforce. Friends I had that went to the other school went to low acceptance public universities or private colleges, some even out of state. I managed to squeeze into a public college that was looking to reduce student intake, but I dealt with economically disenfranchised people no matter the colour of their skin because my school was in the south-east poor side with projects whilst the other high school was surrounded by suburbs and acre-wide properties.

    If skin colour has to be a factor of some kind, wealth/income is the way to go considering of Americans in poverty, 91% are people of colour. Of American kids going to underfunded or discouraged schools, 84% of them consist of a dominate minority-majority.

    It's wealth, of which race is an indirect link rather than the main cause. Tax the rich, fund your schools, teach the poor, reduce inequality, increase racial diversity, capisce.

  • Dominique Ransom

    Dominique Ransom

     1 months ago +1

    Amerian schools in the poorest areas aren't even provided the same resources and fundings as private schools we are not providing the same equality???


    Yet, the already privileged people feel the need to cry about the few people of color who even make it into the overpriced colleges??? Black and Hispanic schools receive fewer fundings than Whites schools from 1st through 12th how is that fair using race to fund better quality for some and not others? Not all Whites or Asians children will even graduate. And even the few darker groups who drop out can open a spot for the next poor child!!! STOP OPPRESSING OTHERS JUST TO KEEP SCAPEGOAT EXCUSES FOR INJUSTICE!!!

  • Nixon

    Nixon

     1 months ago +1

    This channel rarely resists the urge to turn a ‘news’ report into an op-ed., a habit undoubtably picked up from their 3rd rate teachers at whatever state colleges they attended. This practice underpins and undermines their credibility while simultaneously highlighting their selective ethics. Big down vote 👎

  • Johnathan Johnson

    Johnathan Johnson

     1 months ago

    We should admit students based on merit!

  • Judgement Ravi

    Judgement Ravi

     1 months ago

    Solradu naan pera vanvarudu kandavanunga😍

  • Yemi Truechild

    Yemi Truechild

     1 months ago

    Lol these comments so mad even though it's stated multiple times that affirmative action has been gutted. And never even states that the primary beneficiaries of affirmative action have been white women.

    Besides, the only reason it exists at all is because we were literally forbade from matriculating for the majority of the university system's existence.

    Anecdotal evidence is not fact, but my college was 96% white
    Students and faculty both believed thatni was there because of affirmative action. Even though i was not a part of any racial factor in high school, and the supreme court decision of 1978 means the university was not allowed to boost my score because of my race. And so, even after being accepted, it was still an uphill battle for the attention and respect of my peers and professors. So can you all stop complaining already?

  • nash Shiku

    nash Shiku

     1 months ago

    Make more IV league universities.

  • MusicallyFly

    MusicallyFly

     1 months ago

    Decent video. Understanding the historical discrimination is the whole point of affirmative action. The 1978 court decision eventually gutted the whole intent of the law. A LOT of the civil rights modifications come in 1965 were rolled back over the decades. That's why we haven't made the progress as a nation that we should have by now

  • Fajar Setiawan

    Fajar Setiawan

     1 months ago

    Trust me, just put poverty as your main criteria and you'll get diverse students without the need of this unnecessarily intricate consideration that is race.

    Why, you might ask? Because in America, racism is already intertwined with economic disparity. The poorest of the poor is often those of minority like Blacks, Latinos and Asians. Eventually, you'll get some white poors here and there accumulatively enough to deflect "reverse-racism" accusations.

    But the main problem is access, either potential students' access to reach admission office or otherwise. This can be solved if the campus is attentive enough on this problem by making representative offices in states and then, basically, SEARCH. Not wait, but SEARCH like a talent agent. Admission officers come to schools across US, promote, and give acess. Yes, that's a lot of efforts but hey, it's ao charitable.